Volume 6 Issue 6                    INTERNET EDITION                                      June 2001.


Selected items from the official  (bi-monthly) 'Tasmanian Numismatist' newsletter of the 'Tasmanian Numismatic Society' may have been included in this Internet Edition version. The Internet space required has been kindly provided by a T.N.S. member/sponsor for readers who are interested in the hobby of numismatics and who have Internet access. We draw readers attention to the notifications and disclaimers located at the conclusion of this  Internet Edition.

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE!

Late last year it was decided, by the Tasmanian Numismatic Society Committee, that the monthly 'Tasmanian Numismatist' newsletter would be separated and restructured into an official bi-monthly printed issue and a monthly Internet Edition because of the production and distribution costs connected with the hard-copy version 

However, the Tasmanian Numismatist (Internet Edition) has now reached a situation where we must rationalise our Internet archival site space, particularly with regard to photo scans, which now stretches back over 5 years to early 1996. 

We were previously duplicating the printed and Internet editions but, as a privately funded site, the capacity of our T.N.S. member/sponsor to finance the existing and continually growing Internet commitment is not unlimited; we now need to free some of this costly web space. A limited cull of early material will occur immediately.

A newsletter library had been established as a permanent record of each standard printed edition issue back to 1966 and photocopies of past issues are still available in black and white, for a small fee to cover costs of reproduction and postage. 

The Internet Edition internal Search facility, which was introduced early last year and has proven so useful for rapid access of archival information by readers, will still be available, but will only cover information that will now be stored for a reasonable, but limited, length of time. 

Queries through the Internet website or our email address are welcome - however, if the subject cannot be located by the Search facility - please don't hesitate to ask us! It may take a little bit longer to locate items from the earliest published Internet material and get back to you - if we had written something about it - but, in any instance, we will certainly make an effort to assist with your inquiries!

 

MEMBER’S MAGAZINE.                                                                                                        

Articles published in this segment are eligible for the current Editor’s personal Award. The winner will be selected and advised in November and, after any necessary consultation, the name will be announced in the December or early January newsletter. It remains the Editor's choice to make this personal Award which is open to 'Tasmanian Numismatic Society' members, sister club members, members of other numismatic clubs and individuals with whom the Editor has an affiliation by way of previous voluntary literary contributions.

The Award features a National and International category which takes the form of a Certificate and, either, a T.N.S. membership subscription (with all rights) for the following year, or, the Editor's choice of a  numismatic item of equivalent value to an annual subscription of the "Tasmanian Numismatic Society. The manner of the Award can be determined by the winning contributor.

 

The following article, which has been researched and supplied for our members and 'Tasmanian Numismatist' Internet Edition readers by our T.N.S. Member #363  Jerry Adams of Texas, has recently been published in the NTCA (National Token Collector's Association) club journal. With Jerry's kind permission we present this story, in full, about his hometown of Keller, Texas - and the discovery of the only local token he has been able to find, so far!

For further information about NTCA - or to read some other interesting stories about old West tokens in particular - Jerry's own homepage - 'Trade Token Tales - can be located at: http://members.home.net/tokenguy/index.htm

 

A SHORT HISTORY OF KELLER, TEXAS                     compiled by T.N.S. Member # 363 Jerry Adams.

When we moved to the small town of Keller, Texas, just north of Fort Worth, back in 1987, my wife, daughter and myself all loved the small town atmosphere. We had lived in Fort Worth most of our lives, but crime near our Cowtown (Fort Worth) home had become so commonplace that we decided to sell up and move to a more rural and serene area.

 

The area now known as Keller, Texas was settled in the 1850's. The first settlement was about 2 miles north and east of the present site and was known as Double Springs. Pioneers had built cabins in the "Cross Timbers" area for a few years prior to that time. One of the first churches in the area was Lonesome Dove Baptist church about 8 miles east of Keller. The name of that Baptist Church was the inspiration for Texas author Larry McMurtry to name the book and television series "Lonesome Dove." The book and movie were also based on the local characters of Oliver Loving and Charles Goodnight. 

In the television movie, Loving and Goodnight were transformed into Captain Augustus McCrae and Capt. W. F. Call (Gus and Woodrow). In real life, the Goodnight-Loving cattle trail was named after the two men.
In 1852, the Lonesome Dove Church sent members to establish a church in the Keller area, and it was named Mount Gilead Baptist Church. In 1875 a man named Isaac Roberts who owned 640 acres in the area, left a parcel of his land to A. G. Roberts, who then sold right of way to the Texas and Pacific railroad for $25. In July of 1881 H. W. Wood gave 40 acres on the railroad right of way to the public to form the new town of Athol (where Keller is located today). The town name was changed within a year, to Keller, in honour of a Texas & Pacific foreman. By 1882 the name Keller was written on all the land abstracts. The first train arrived about 1881 or 1882, no one is certain of the exact date. The first post office was established in 1888.  Keller formed it's own school district, and by the early 1900's had a fine school building, and a number of well to do graduates. 

By 1987 when we arrived in Keller, the population was about 13,000.

circa 1919 view of Keller, Texas  knox3.jpg (7170 bytes)  school built about 1915

 

ALL I NEED IS A TOKEN FROM KELLER

By Jerry Adams, copyright © 2001

 

A few years after moving to Keller, I found a book in the town library that was devoted to local history, and while reading the book, noticed a reprint of an advertisement for a local grocer, by the name of R. H. Knox & Sons.

 

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Something in the name seemed to ring a bell. Then I remembered that 20 some years ago; I had talked to a Fort Worth lady on the telephone, who had some tokens. I had written down the tokens that she had for sale (and which I did not buy for some reason), I found the piece of paper stuck in my ledger book, and she had offered an Ingle system token of R. H. Knox.

Years later, I was able to acquire a single R. H. Knox token, from a fellow Texas collector, thanks to a classified ad placed in 'Talkin Tokens' (The official newsletter of NTCA, the National Token Collectors Association - see Jerry's homepage for details.)

The token:

R. H. KNOX / 10/ K

IN TRADE / 10 / PAT. JUN. 1909 / INGLE SYSTEM

Brass (or copper?) – round – 21mm diameter.

 

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After my learning of the existence of the R. H. Knox tokens, I also found that there was a R. H. Knox grocer listed in Fort Worth. My guess was that it was the same person, and perhaps he had two stores. 

A token with a dual attribution for Keller and Fort Worth was fine with me.

I placed an advertisement in the Keller newspaper, asking for assistance in locating any of the tokens. I got one phone call. 

The call was from a lady who had worked in the Knox store in Keller, and was kin to R. H. Knox. 

Turns out the R. H. stands for Robert Hatton Knox. The lady also told me that he also had a store in Fort Worth on Evans Avenue, and she said she could not remember the tokens herself. Several of the kinfolk still live in the area, and she provided me with their names. The Knox family also (evidently) ran a blacksmith shop in Keller. Although it is unknown if he was in the same family, a Jasper Knox established a garage and Chevrolet agency at the corner of Main and Bates about 1913 in Keller.

So take heart, no matter how small your hometown, those mavericks you have stuck in the back of your binders, may turn out to be a historical treasure with a bit of luck and research!

Although the account of this Ingle grocer token may lack the widespread interest found in saloon token yarns, the discovery of a hometown token has been exciting to me, and I wanted to share the story in print.

 

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Above photo of Keller graduating class of 1920, left to right: Gordon Keller, May Johnson, Ollie Whitley, Jennie Bell Griffin, Gordon Yates, Edna Christian, Johnny Graves, Eunice Christian, James Weatherall, Margie Weaver.

 

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Editor's Note: In reply to my query of - "What is an Ingle system?" Jerry Adams emailed me the following explanation.

"Well, yes - I do forget that not everyone is a token collector, and not everyone will know what an Ingle system token is. 

Basically, a family company by that name - who were located in Daytona - were manufacturers of tokens that ranged from 1 cent - 50 cents. The Ingle system operated from the 1910's through the 1920's and the company sold tokens - and cash registers that held and dispensed their tokens - mainly to grocery stores, general stores (out in the country), meat markets, coal mine stores, etc. The large majority of their tokens are either for grocery stores or general stores and almost all are patent dated either 1909 or 1914. Most are "maverick" tokens without town or state mentioned and they occur across the United States, coast to coast.  

They also have a fairly common reverse advertisement for the Ingle System. 

Every "blue moon" you will see an Ingle System cash register.  I have only seen one, at a flea market, in my 25 years of collecting. 

They are really neat for a token collector, as they held tokens  in stacks for each denomination.  As mentioned, the Ingle tokens were issued in 1 cent, 5 cent, 10 cent, etc. to match the U.S. coinage denominations.  The cash registers had a pop out drawer and a marble ledge. Since they are so old and so collectable, they are rarely seen for sale."

 

It is interesting to note that both Launceston and Hobart, in Tasmania, had a branch of a long established grocery business run by a family named Ingles, and the family name is still listed in local phone books.

 

PARLEZ- VOUS?                                                   by T.N.S. member #332  Graeme Petterwood.

Parlez-vous Français?  Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Habla Español? Parlate voi Italiano? Do you speak English? .................

If you are a numismatist, like myself, who collects Old World coins or banknotes you probably do have, at least, a smattering of some of the major basic Western European languages, or can read enough, to identify a numismatic item from those regions. 

These days, however, with interest growing for information about the numismatic backgrounds of states outside of the traditional areas, we are being called upon to broaden our linguistic horizons beyond the frontiers of  the Europeans, their former colonial acquisitions, and their familiar sounding languages and friendly looking scripts.

Whilst many of us can never hope to master the scripts, the vocabularies and the formal numerical and grammatical intricacies of the Chinese, Arabic and Cyrillic languages at least we can probably identify some of the more simple aspects of the numbers, for instance, used on the coins and banknotes but sometimes we need to know just a little more to feel comfortable with our collectible. For instance, did you know that there are 32 languages that use the Cyrillic script, but not all the users issue currency. 

However, can usually find helping hands on the Internet and in major numismatic catalogues that will give us an idea how these relatively well-known world languages are formed and how to apply them to our hobby where neccessary.

For example, Krause Publication's 'World Paper Money' (Refer Vol.1 and 2) lists approximately 18 countries besides Russia- that use Cyrillic script in one form or another, and they supply us with a number of  alphabetical and numerical tables as well as an illustrated 'Instant Identifier' to help us with our hobby. 

 

Armenia, Azerbajan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovinia, Bulgaria including Thrace, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Macedonia, Mongolia, Montenegro, Serbia, Tannu-Tuva, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Yugoslavia - past and present - are listed in the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money and this doesn't count the odd country, like Poland, that came under the domination of Russia and issued banknotes in the Cyrillic script. However, in some cases an adapted version of a particular script has been 'invented' to cater for local dialectic requirements and, all of a sudden, things don't translate as expected. Some non-European scripts can also be read in various directions besides our own traditional left to right method - it makes life interesting - doesn't it!   

 

 

As many readers would know, Chinese, Japanese and Korean are all related and can be read across or down and from right to left.

Hanzi/Kanji/Hanja Chinese - Usually written in all Chinese characters but sometimes Western script numerals are used.


Japanese Japanese - A combination of Hiragana, Katakana, Chinese characters and, more recently, Romanji (See below).


Hangul (Korean) Korean - Again a combination of the original Korean Hangul script plus Japanese and Chinese characters. However, in Northern Korea where the Japanese influence was not as strong, the Hangul script is used nearly exclusively.
Japanese, for instance, now contains 4 different script characteristics which now includes Romanji - an oriental adaptation of English which is now being increasingly used as a common trade language around the world.

 

Many more of the world's unusual scripts use purely consonant and syllabic (with their diacritic marks) or phonemic alphabets. The shapes and sounds of some letters and words are so totally different to those we are familiar with that  we often tend to put coins and notes bearing these scripts to one side and, in doing so, we can be guilty of ignoring a great area of the hobby that offers rich cultural and economic pickings. 

As a self-confessed magpie collector - topped with an insatiable appetite for linguistic as well as numismatic knowledge - I have searched for explanations, interpretations and translations for many years and in most instances have been rewarded for my perseverance. To those who share this desire to know what the letters, words and symbols on our foreign coins and notes represent, I can only offer a little assistance - courtesy of those dedicated souls who have sorted out many of these scripts for us - and I make no pretence of knowing these languages myself except by means of a good dictionary, thesaurus and grammar if the interest took me down that path.

With a little study, however, you can soon learn to recognise the style of script and narrow down the process of identification and the  classification of a numismatic object - perhaps, if you really work at it, you may even get a geographical, historical or cultural lesson thrown in for good measure.

Arabic  Arabic            Syriac Syriac     Hebrew    Hebrew


If you find that you have developed an interest in banknotes from Egypt - for instance - you will find that the history of this ancient land is reflected in the illustrations on its currency - but what do all those little squiggles around the writing mean? Take the time to learn the basic Arabic numerical table and the dating system which is used in this area of the world. There are writing style difference between some Arabic countries and the languages vary as they do with the Western European countries but once the principle is understood it makes numismatic identification that much easier. 

The Arabic alphabet is broken up into three different interpretations - a letter is written in a way that signifies its place in a word.

If it is a single isolated letter, or a capital, it is written in a different manner than if it were included within the word (medial) or at the end (final). Arabic is a consonant script that uses special diacritic marks to indicate where non written vowels are located - these diacritics account for all those little dots, dashes and loops that seem to fall off the Arabic words (which are read from right to left) and litter the background of your coin or note.


Syllabic alphabets and scripts are the hardest to interpret for those of us who are used to European scripts - with their circles, wavy lines and, in some cases no break between words, the best we can do is try and establish the area of the world we suspect the coin or note originates from then use our numismatic library or a good Internet site to help us to narrow down the detail. 

Some of the South-east Asian languages that use this type of cursive script are Javanese, Thai, Malayalam, Lao, Kmer and Sinhala amongst many on the sub-continent of India.  

Khmer  Kmer      Sinhala  Sinhala           Lao  Lao          Malayalam   Malayalam

Phonemic scripts and alphabets incorporate such languages as Latin/Roman, Coptic, Irish and Greek and these, of course, all use the vowel - consonant combination to form words.

Gaelige (Irish) Irish     Coptic  Coptic        Ellinika/Greek  Greek        Cyrillic  Cyrillic

 

Knowledge is a wonderful thing in itself and, whilst it can be somewhat difficult to attain at times, the rewards of success are immense as it becomes something that you now KNOW and can share - it also doesn't hurt the old grey matter to keep active as well! Whilst there are a multitude of  sites on the Internet  I have found a couple of extremely interesting and helpful ones at:

http://www.omniglot.dabsol.co.uk/language/writing/index.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/6077/

I am sure you can find many more sites to add to your Favourites listings, but these two will give you a good start towards the learning process.

Additional References: 

Standard Catalog of World Paper Money (Various Editions & Vols.) - edited by Colin R. Bruce II, Neil Shafer & G. S. Cuhaj.

 

U.S. STATEHOOD QUARTER DOLLARS.

In 1999, the United States of America embarked on a long term project to honour the anniversaries of the formation of all its 50 current states. Each year, until 2008, 5 states will be honoured by the issue of a special commemorative Quarter Dollar coin depicting a chosen subject or symbol that reflects the essence of its statehood.

The 1999 series started with Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia and Connecticut. In 2000, the special quarters for Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire and Virginia were also issued and this year it is the turn of New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Vermont and Kentucky. The releases will continue in order of attaining statehood.

TENNESSEE, OHIO, LOUISIANA, INDIANA, MISSISSIPPI, ILLINOIS, ALABAMA, MAINE, MISSOURI, ARKANSAS, MICHIGAN,

FLORIDA, TEXAS, IOWA, WISCONSIN, CALIFORNIA, MINNESOTA, OREGON, KANSAS, WEST VIRGINIA, NEVADA, NEBRASKA,

COLORADO, NORTH DAKOTA, SOUTH DAKOTA, MONTANA, WASHINGTON, IDAHO, WYOMING, UTAH, OKLAHOMA, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, ALASKA and finally HAWAII.

The current circulating quarters are being minted at Philadelphia and Denver - with Proofs coming from San Francisco. At this point in time the mintage figures seem to indicate a fairly even production rate between the two major mints. The first figures for 1999 are now available and Delaware has had approximately  774,232,000; Pennsylvania 707,332,000; New Jersey 562,228,000; Georgia 939,932,000 and Connecticut 1,346,233,000 - that's an awesome amount but in keeping with previous standard issues since 1964.

There has been a slight modification of the portrait of George Washington and some wording which was previously shown of the reverse of the quarter has now been incorporated onto the obverse. At this time, the future of the design of the quarter is still creating some speculation - will it eventually revert to the prior to 1999 design, or will it become a coin of choice for commemorating U.S. events - much like the Australian 50 cent, $1.00 and , more recently, the 20 cent have? Time will tell!

 

MORAL RESTRICTION - OR COMMERCIAL CENSORSHIP?

As well as being an established  numismatist, one of our members has a secondary interest as a part time militaria collector. 

He is particularly involved in collecting objects from the WWII era and his collection includes some national and foreign small arms weaponry, medals, uniforms and insignia, unit patches and badges and other authentic personal military accoutrements. 

In early May he was advised that eBay Auctions plan on banning the listings for sale of all marked German Nazi and Nazi SS marked authentic military artefacts - amongst other more gruesome things - effective as of May 17th.

Here is a (slightly edited) copy of the eBay announcement, with an interesting - if somewhat worrying - follow-up. 

My first reaction was to give the reason for the policy announcement my nod of moral approval.

However, I have since read the eBay prohibition statement more carefully  and - after having also checked it out from a numismatic viewpoint - I feel I could now only accept it with some reservations. Is the cure worse than the ailment?

 

eBay Broadens Policy Prohibiting Items Associated with Hate Groups.
It has long been eBay's policy to disallow the sale of items that promote hatred, violence or racism. As the eBay community expands to include many nations, it is important that our policy regarding these items be consistent throughout our global marketplace. Early last year, eBay implemented a policy prohibiting the listing of items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or that promote organizations with such views. Until now, certain items pertaining to these organizations were allowed if they could be considered "historical objects", i.e. were at least 50 years old.
We are now broadening our prohibition to include more items, regardless of age. In addition, the current guidelines for items associated with notorious murderers are also being strengthened. This includes prohibiting personal belongings, letters and artwork created by such individuals, as well as novelty items bearing their names and images.


Examples of items that will generally be removed under the expanded guidelines are:
**Items that bear symbols or decals of the Nazis and the Nazi SS, including authentic German WWII memorabilia .

(This example apparently implies that such items as medals, helmets, uniforms, daggers, other military equipment and accoutrements of all descriptions etc. and possibly even some documents - et al - that feature or bear the Nazi Eagle and Swastika - in any size, or in any location on the item - could be blanket banned. The list continues and includes items associated with such proscribed or discredited organisations such as the KKK, Neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation etc.)

 

Examples of items that may generally be listed include:
**German coins and stamps from the 1930s and 1940s, regardless of markings;
**German WWII memorabilia that doesn't bear Nazi or SS markings;
**Most historical books and movies about WWII or Nazi Germany, even if Nazi symbols appear on the item;
**War documentaries or documentary photos portraying victims of war or violence;
**Items of historical importance associated with acts of violence against public figures.

The new guidelines will take effect on May 17, 2001. At that point, all listings that include the prohibited items listed above may be ended. We hope that these guidelines will make eBay a more comfortable and welcoming place for all members of our global community. *To read more about our policy on these listings, click here.

 

FOLLOW UP. 

A follow up email reveals that eBay Auctions is apparently being forced into the extension of its prohibition by external forces outside of the U.S. This is a worrying trend that may impact on countries that implement and value responsible freedom and voluntary regulation of industry.  

"An article explaining how eBay is being currently forced to bow to international pressure from French courts, who have brought lawsuits against Yahoo for allowing Nazi material to be auctioned, can be found at the following site address."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010503/aponline174809_000.htm

EBay Bans Nazi Artifacts, Material

By Brian Bergstein
AP Business Writer
Thursday, May 3, 2001; 5:48 p.m. EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. –– Internet auction giant eBay Inc. is banning the sale of artifacts from Nazi Germany, the Ku Klux Klan and notorious criminals, in hopes of avoiding legal problems in other countries.

EBay had already banned items that promote hate or violence, but allowed artifacts that were more than 50 years old to be listed as "collectibles."  

For example, a 1921 sterling silver badge in the shape of a KKK mask was available on eBay for less than US$25 recently.

Users were warned not to take bids on Nazi items from people in France, Germany, Austria or Italy because of laws in those countries. Users with French- or German-language Web browsers also were blocked from searching for Nazi-related items, eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove said.

The new policy, which was announced Wednesday and takes effect May 17, eliminates the historical exemption and bans the items completely. As eBay expands overseas, "we are encountering different laws and different points of view as to what constitutes illegal, offensive or inappropriate items," said Mike Jacobson, eBay's general counsel. "Given our expansion, as well as feedback we've received from our users, we reviewed our policy and concluded that these changes are appropriate."

EBay's move comes as fellow Internet giant Yahoo! Inc. is untangling itself from lawsuits brought by groups in France.

A French judge last year ordered Yahoo to block French users from seeing listings of Nazi merchandise on its auction pages and said he would fine the company US$13,000 each day it failed to comply.

Yahoo said the order was impossible to carry out, but ultimately banned auctions of Nazi merchandise when it began charging users to list items on the site. Yahoo has asked a federal judge in San Jose to rule that French court decisions cannot be enforced on U.S. companies.

EBay's new policy also bans "personal belongings, letters or artwork" by notorious murders and items bearing the killers' names or images. The site will still allow German coins and stamps from the 1930s and 1940s and other German memorabilia that does not bear Nazi or SS markings. Historical books or movies about Nazi Germany also can be sold, even if a swastika appears on them.

 

Editor's Note.

Whilst our member is not and never has been an advocate of Nazism or any other extreme belief he does question the apparent application of a form of censorship on certain aspects of his alternate hobby. He comments that the decision - on WHAT constitutes an item that designates or promotes hate - and WHO decides where the line is drawn - and WHY are certain things classified as being prohibited while others are not - seems to be unclear, and, whilst the sentiments are apparently noble, it may be opening a Pandora's Box that has the potential to do more harm than good. 

History and its mementoes - good or bad - cannot be changed by bans and court orders.

The questions that our member raised DO need be carefully considered in regard to the above bulletins. 

Whilst this may seem to be a knee-jerk reaction by eBay, especially when it is coerced by the threat of legal action, the whole issue of a potential commercial censorship at a global level carries too many ramifications to be let happen without some comment. Once an international precedence has been set, it can be very difficult to make exceptions to that ruling so it must be either accepted - warts and all - or thrown out before it becomes, perhaps, an undeserved moral millstone around all our necks no matter what we think - and no matter where we live!

How long will it be before ANY symbol of one regime is banned because another regime deems it to be so offensive to warrant the action? Who sets the guidelines? Can it be policed and by whom? How far back into history could the prohibition ruling be applied - 50, 100, 1000 years? Could this prohibition be construed as a case of imposing one country's will on another nation in retaliation for past sins - even those committed by a third party - by attempting commercial blackmail?

How does this affect numismatists? 

Whilst eBay Auctions state that the listings for sale of coins and stamps bearing Nazi markings - for instance - will not be penalised, who can now guarantee that things will not change - or expand. Could it eventually transpire that ANY coins, banknotes, medallions and medals issued whenever other countries were former foes, may gradually fall under this sort of prohibition - and will it spread beyond the electronic market place? Could this prohibition go further - read my lips - YES it probably can! Think about it! 

If this flawed logic is broadly applied, it could have monumental consequences across the whole commercial spectrum.  

It is obvious that a huge amount of numismatic items that most of us accept and take for granted, such as Emergency Occupation Money, Military Scrip, Confederate currency, Japanese Invasion Money, P.O.W. and Concentration Camp currency, military medals and awards, etc. - including lots of current circulating currencies from opposing regimes - could disappear from international electronic auctions at the whim, or otherwise, of anyone who professes to be offended by it.

Some ill-considered forms of blanket commercial censorship - no matter how well intentioned - must be judged and, if found wanting, should be immediately consigned to the scrap heap without fuss.  

Banning sales of such merchandise, as currently proposed, by means of legal threats against one type of market-place will not stop the trade - are the newspaper 'Wanted to Sell' columns, specialist dealers, the trade magazines, or the military and associated disposal shops going to be eventually targeted? It is a well-known and perverse fact that if someone wants to make something 'popular' all that needs to be done is to ban it - and then it is highly probable that the very things that are under scrutiny may well be lionised and put upon a pedestal for all the wrong reasons by the wrong people. 

Inanimate objects and symbols, whilst they can be powerful reminders, are incapable of hating - it takes people and their prejudices to teach hate and actually use these items to implement hate. Most militaria collectors who use eBay and similar on-line auction systems are honourable people - just like most numismatic collectors - and are interested in the historical significance of the item they wish to obtain - not whether they can flaunt it or parade it to whip up that sort of hatred that turns your stomach.

In these days of inappropriate, vindictive and often trivial litigation, let us hope that the right and most sensible considered decisions can be made by the market-place participants - without ever resorting to the process of the courts to decide what we, the public, can or can not - reasonably and morally - expect to buy or sell.

A recently received example gives cause for reflection: 

A posting on an eBay message board from a man in Germany who reported he had typed in the words '".. a World War II Guide to Hawaii'  - in an eBay search and received an answer back from eBay to say he was not allowed to view the item because he was in Germany. It would be funny except for the fact that it shows how messed up it is going to get!

 

INTERNET NEWS.

Please note that the 'Tasmanian Numismatist' (Internet Edition) provides names, addresses and other details of commercial organisations and/or individuals,  that are mentioned in our correspondents' articles or reviews, for our reader's information purposes only. It does not necessarily mean that the 'Tasmanian Numismatist' (Internet Edition) endorses those or any other organisations, individuals or products mentioned therein. Readers are reminded that any consequent dealings between correspondents is of a private nature and we take no responsibility for disagreements between parties.

U.S.A.(1)

It is amazing where numismatics or references to the hobby turn up. Who would have thought that tucked away in the web pages of an international technology business would be a link to the 'Tasmanian Numismatist' and other Australian club
and dealer sites as well as a detailed explanation of several of our more prominent varieties. As the writer states, he is still on a learning curve and he asks us to bear with him in regard to the accuracy of the content of his current article. 
Two years ago, Jon Saxton, an expatriate Aussie living in New York, resurrected a 35 year dormant passion for the coins of his homeland and documenting his interest on his company's web site (Triton Technologies International Ltd) at: http://triton.vg seemed a great way of re-entering the hobby.  The web site is mostly devoted to numismatics with an overwhelming emphasis on Commonwealth coinage and its varieties.
I am sure that there will be those who are inquisitive enough to have a look at his business page and its Australian coin link.
Jon would welcome an email or two from home and can be contacted direct at js@triton.vg
Jon Saxton <js@triton.vg> OS/2 software developer U.S. agent for Triton Technologies International Ltd: http://www.triton.vg/

U.S.A.(2)

I received an email early in May from our token collecting T.N.S.Member #363, Jerry Adams, about a contact of his from Colombia, Ignacio Henao, who has started a very nice website on Colombian tokens. Have a look - it is in English as well as Spanish. http://sigma.eafit.edu.co/~ihenao/fichas/tokens.html

 

U.S.A. (3)

Dear World Paper Money Collector, This is a brief notice that I have completely updated my world paper money pricelist at: http://www.banknotes.com/pricelst.htm Many prices were lowered (those with a */star/ left of the price) and many new arrivals were added. Please view my price list online. If you have no access to internet browsing then please let me know your collecting topic, area or countries and I will email you that part of my pricelist. Member: IBNS # 7012 Have a great day! Best regards,
Audrius Tomonis
P.O.Box 7607 Wilmington, NC 28406 USA

P.S. While you study the above list have a quick peek at: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html

CANADA.(1)

The following news release has been issued by regular correspondent, author, World Coin News columnist and Canadian Municipal Trade token designer - amongst other things - Serge Pelletier. Unfortunately, it just missed publication in our May issue - but better late than never! Check out Serge's new site: www.eligi.ca/bonavita - particularly under Newsletters.

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - 1 MAY 2001
LITTLE CURRENT, ONTARIO - The Little Current Lions Club is pleased to announce that is will be issuing a 2001 dated 20-Buck token.  This is their second and last high denomination piece in a municipal trade token series that has now spanned more than three decades.  When  asked why the club  was introducing a special coin again this year, Rolly Racicot, the program
coordinator stated: "We have no shortage of reasons. The klippe, which was introduce as our millennium coin last year, sold out in approximately 3 weeks after release. This should be reason enough. But the most important is - when did the New Millennium really start 2000 or 2001?".  

The token will have currency value, at participating  merchants, until May 31. Only 850 pieces will be struck following which, both the obverse and reverse dies will be destroyed. The Little Current Lions Club has been issuing such tokens as a means of raising funds for their community projects since 1969, making it one of two of the longest running programs in Canada.
Racicot further stated that: "Many of our collectors of Haweater Dollars were not able to get one of the Haweater Millennium 2000 Cents. Here is a second opportunity for those people to make a square coin part of their collection".  

Produced by Eligi Consultants Inc., a company specialized in municipal trade tokens, the large square token measures 42 x 42 millimetres and is struck on antique brass planchets.  It features, in full colour, the M/S 'Chi-Cheemaun'

When translated from the Ojibwa language, "Chi-Cheemaun" means "Big Canoe", and that it is!  

Over 110 metres (360 feet) long, it can carry 143 vehicles and 638 passengers from Tobermory on Manitoulin Island to South Baymouth. It is an awesome sight to see  this majestic ship come around the point entering the ferry terminal located on Manitoulin Island. The route it travels offers some of the most spectacular scenery on the Great Lakes. The numerous islands and the clean, clear water make for a most memorable trip, even though it lasts less than two hours.  

The ferry season lasts only five months of the year and it is with heavy hearts that the Haweaters bid farewell to the Chi-Cheemaun at the end of every season.  The "Big Canoe" has been serving the island since 1974.

Manitoulin Island is the world's largest fresh water island. It is situated in the north channel of Georgian Bay in Lake Huron.  

The island is 176 kilometres long and 5 to 80 kilometres wide. There are more than 100 lakes within the island. The largest, Lake Manitou, is thought to be the largest lake within a lake, and has some islands of its own.  

The permanent population is 10,000 which is increased to some 50,000 in summer by tourists. 
Long inhabited by the Indians, legend has it that the island is the home of the good spirit "Gitchi-manitou" and the evil spirit
"Matchi-manitou".  

Jesuit missionaries visited Manitoulin Island between 1648-50 and over the years, various missions were established for the natives. In 1838, the entire island was made a reserve. In the early 1860s, by treaty, the Island was purchased from the natives, except for 105,000 acres at its eastern end, which is now known as the Wikwemikong Unceded Reserve.
In 1863, provincial land surveyors began laying out the township boundaries and the island was then opened to non-native settlers.  These determined pioneers faced many hardships in the early years with their stony soil. The areas settled were usually the higher, dry lands, which required much labour to clear.  The hawthorn, a small deciduous shrub, armed with long, sharp thorns, grows in abundance in the stony open areas.  In the Fall, it produces clusters of bright red edible berries. It is said that the early settlers supplemented their diet with many uses of hawberries and visitors to the island, in those early days, referred to these homesteaders as the "Haw-People" or "Haw-Eaters".
The Haweater Dollars Series
Those interested in getting some of these earlier tokens should contact the exclusive distributor Bonavita Ltd. (see below)
For more information please contact:
Serge Pelletier
Tel: +1-301-460-8429
E-Mail:  info@eligi.ca


TECHNICAL DATA
Obverse:  M.S. Chi-Cheemaun with white, yellow and blue enamels.  Legend: HAWEATER 20 BUCKS / (Lions International Logo) 2001 (Lions International Logo) / M.S. CHI-CHEEMAUN / SERVING MANITOULIN SINCE 1974 / GOOD FOR $20 ON
MANITOULIN UNTIL MAY, 31 2001.
Reverse:  Map of Manitoulin with deer above and fisherman below.  Legend: MANITOULIN / (Eligi mintmark) / WORLD'S LARGEST FRESH WATER ISLAND.
Issuing Agency:  Little Current Lions Club
Designer:  Serge Pelletier
Mint:  Eligi Consultants Inc.
Diameter:  42 x 42 mm
Edge:  Plain
Composition.                        Mintage.    Price
Antique Brass, Enamelled.    850            $25.00
Shipping and handling and taxes are extra.  

Available from:
Bonavita Ltd, Box 11447, Station H, Nepean, ON K2H 7V1
Tel:  +1-613-823-3844 / Fax: +1-613-825-3092
MASTERCARD and VISA accepted
E-Mail:  ray@eligi.ca

 

CANADA. (2)

Noted on the 'Société Numismatique de Québec' homepage was an open invitation to any reader who happens to be in Quebec on July 26 - 29, 2001 that - Une Odyssée Numismatique - is to be held at the Quebec City Congress Centre. 

Details are available (in French and English) from the SNQ site: http://www.snq.qc.ca/2001/indexe.html

 

CANADA. (3)

Corey Crabb at Perth Numismatics of Lanark, Ontario, Canada has forwarded the following email:

"We have updated our website and have added some specials to the home page. Check out the site.
We are in the process of totally re-designing the website to add a shopping cart feature, advanced search features and too many more to list. Be sure to check this new site out in a few weeks to come.
All the best, Corey.     Perth Numismatics Homepage:  www.perthmoney.com          Email: perthmoney@aol.com 

ISRAEL.

Hi, my name is Yahel,  I'm 31 years old from Israel. Besides coins from Israel I collect (mainly Middle East, Mediterranean and African) coins by  type. I am interested in trading spares. Most of mine are in VF - XF condition, so if you send me your list of doubles I will send mine. I can be contacted at: úàéø åéäì ôèéùé  (This email address is hyperlinked so it should transmit OK!)

 

LITHUANIA.

Those of our readers who are still interested in quantities of world Phone-cards of all types can obtain details of many held by Bronius Juozaitis of Lithuania. Dealers are also welcome. Bronius can be contacted as usual at: bronjuoz@takas.lt

 

JERRY'S BOOK REVIEWS.

For those of our members and readers who collect Canadian coins and currency the following review of one of the best known Canadian catalogues will be appreciated. It has been supplied by our T.N.S. Member # 112 Jerry Remick of Quebec. 

Jerry has been a Tasmanian Numismatic Society member for over 30 years and has supplied various editors of our newsletter with articles and informative reviews for about the same length of time. Thanks again Jerry for your continuing contributions.

COINS OF CANADA

The 2001 (19th.) Edition of Unitrade's Canadian Coin, Token and Banknote Catalogue 'Coins of Canada' by J. A. Haxby and the late R. C. Willey was released in mid-April by the publisher.

Unitrade Press

99 Floral Parkway, Toronto

Ontario, Canada. M6L 2C4 

Ph:  (416) 242 5900

The catalogue is available in Canada printed in either English or French ('Monnaies du Canada') at C$11.95 for the spiral bound version or C$10.95 for the normal binding. Canadian orders should include G.S.T. plus C$3.00 for post and handling. 

International orders will need to be confirmed by Unitrade Press because of differing post and handling charges etc.

 

The 272 page soft cover catalogue is printed on 6" x 9" easy to read pages and is divided into 10 chapters.

Canadian Decimal Coins; Canadian Gold Coins; Canadian Collectors' Coins, Canadian Collectors' Sets; Canadian Bullion Issues; The French Regime; Colonial Tokens; Trade, Advertising and Transportation Tokens; Colonial Decimal Coins; Dominion of Canada and Bank of Canada Bank Notes.

A 15 page introduction at the beginning of the book and, at the rear, a 2 page section on Bullion values and another 3 page Glossary of Terms, provide a great amount of useful data for the user. The informative historical notes on the various coins, tokens and bank notes that were used in Canada plus the colonial tokens and coins used in the provinces provide educational reading for collector and non-collector alike and for that alone the book makes an ideal gift.

Each type of coin, token or bank note has a short descriptive text plus detailed enlargements show major varieties as well.

A very important inclusion in this catalogue is the J. A. Haxby research on the minor changes in the portrait of Queen Victoria on the decimal coinage of Canada and Newfoundland. Clear and detailed photos of each portrait type are shown and indicated on each decimal coin catalogued.

As to be expected a full grading range is described from Good, in the case of rarer items, but mainly from E.F. and extending through to A.U. with the latest valuations given for each grade of preservation.

As the owner of the earlier 16th. edition (1998) of the spiral bound version of the 'Coins of Canada' catalogue I can only endorse Jerry's comment, "A darn good book-catalogue at a low price that should be ideal for an Australian dealer to market, if it hasn't been as yet!" 

 

A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME UNIQUE BARGAINS!

As T.N.S. members and many of our Internet readers know, the 'Tasmanian Numismatic Society' enjoys meeting each month and using the facilities of the Masonic Club of Tasmania which is located at 181 Macquarie St. in Tasmania's capital city, Hobart.

The Masonic Club of Tasmania - which was established in May 1923 after some initial meetings in June and July 1922 - recently approached the Tasmanian Numismatic Society Committee, because of their close connections with the Club, and offered the T.N.S. the opportunity of marketing, on their behalf, the few remainders of the Club's pre-decimal token sets and various single tokens and chits most of which are on the Rarity Scale between 5 (Very Scarce) - 8 (Very Rare).

T.N.S. vice-president, Mr. Roger V. McNeice O.A.M., F.R.N.S. has been appointed as sole vendor on behalf of the Masonic Club. 

These tokens only occasionally come on to the market so these will obviously be snapped up quickly. The 2/6 token is now extremely difficult to obtain and unfortunately, there were none of the scarce 3d or the very rare 5/- tokens available at all.

The following short history is intended to provide a sense of background to accompany this unique offer.

 

It is believed that the Masonic Club introduced the token system sometime after April 1926 to pay for wins on at least one poker machine that had been installed at the Club - then located at 121 Macquarie St., Hobart - sometime in February 1923. 

As the Club grew the token system grew with it, until the legality of the additional machines that had been installed came under scrutiny in November 1942. The Masonic Club Committee decided that the machines were to be de-activated for one month to ascertain their effect on revenue but they were never restarted due to continuing uncertainty regarding their legal status.

On 29 August 1947, the machines were sold  to a Mr. H. Crouch for £120 and removed from the premises.

A complete set and a range of individual tokens has been retained by the Masonic Club for their own historical archives, so these  few genuine 'spare' items will be the first and final lot offered on a 'first in - first served' basis. 

 

"Tokens of Tasmania' written and published by Roger V. McNeice O.A.M; F.R.N.S. in 1984 confirms the desirability of these tokens and a fine write up of the Masonic Club's general history - and particularly the tokens and chits - can be found in the illustrated 78 page 'Tasmanian Passes, Checks & Club Tokens'  by Noel G. Harper, Dip.Pub. Admin. published in 1985.

I believe that both of these fine reference books regarding Tasmanian tokens are now out of print and relatively hard to obtain but, at that time, they showed current 1985 market values of each un-holed aluminium token including the 20mm  6d; 23mm 1/-; 28mm 1/6 at about $20 each  with the 28mm brass 2/6 and copper 5/- items at about $50 each. The centre-holed versions 18mm 3d: 20mm 6d (2 size holes); 23mm 1/-; were about $20 and 28mm 1/6 about $30 each. These are all in aluminium, but both types are desirable and would have obviously appreciated somewhat since then. Each obverse featured a small centralised solid map of Tasmania with the entwined ornate initials MC overlaid. The reverse featured the denomination in large 'dimpled' figures e.g - 3d; 6d; 1/-; 1/6.

We have been advised that  constructed Sets of the available tokens are as follows. Noel Harper Item Numbers as references:

Set 1 = (x 5 tokens).  

2/6 Brass Token NH60 (rare), 1/6 Aluminium Token  NH59, 1/- Aluminium Token NH58-NH65 ( in two types - holed and un-holed), and Brass MC Chit NH67. 

10 Sets only @ Price $180 Set.

Set 2 = (x 8 tokens).  

2/6 Brass Token NH60, 1/6 Aluminium Token NH59-NH66 (the two types), 1/- Aluminium Token NH58-NH65 (the two types), 6d Aluminium Token NH57-NH63 (the two types), Brass MC Chit NH67.              

2 Sets only @ Price $240 Set

Set 3 = (x 4 tokens). 2/6 Brass token NH60, 1/- Aluminium Token NH58-NH65 (the two types) and Brass MC Chit NH67          

3 Sets only @ Price $130 Set.

Individual Tokens.  

1/- Un-holed Aluminium Tokens (NH58)    (Limited number) @    Price $25 each. 

Brass MC Chits (NH67)                          (Limited number) @    Price $22 each. 

 

PLEASE NOTE.

Selling prices have been set by the Masonic Club of Tasmania and are firm, with postage and insurance additional. 

Tokens can be reserved, pending payment. All inquiries regarding availability of these historical Masonic Club of Tasmania tokens should be directed to the appointed vendor:

R. V. McNeice,

8 Orana Place, Taroona.

Tasmania. 7053.

Phone: (03) 6227 8825  Fax: (03) 6227 9898

Email: rogermcneice@our.net.au

 

WANTED KNOWN.

Tasmania.

A gold-plated Chinese Lion Mirror Medal Set has been offered for sale at A$20.00 plus postage. 

The vendor states that a special manufacturing process causes these intriguing mirror medals to reflect the image of a lion if sunlight is directed on to the surfaces at a particular angle. All inquiries direct to:

Peter V. Kang-Scheit

227 Saltwater River Rd.,

Premaydena. 

Tasmania. 7185.

Ph: (03) 6250 3388 or Fax: (03) 6250 3399

 

Please note that all commercial information  and consequent dealings are subject to our stated disclaimers.

 

 

 

TASMANIAN NUMISMATIST.

The ‘Tasmanian Numismatist’ newsletter is the only official newsletter of the ‘Tasmanian Numismatic Society Inc. ’and it is published periodically and distributed by post, or hand delivered, directly to members of the Tasmanian Numismatic Society Inc. and selected associates and institutions.

Any literary contributions or relevant and constructive comments regarding numismatics are always welcome and can be sent to the T.N.S. or directed to:

The Editor,

Tasmanian Numismatist.

P.O. Box 10,

Ravenswood. 7250. Tasmania.

Australia.

INTERNET EDITION.

The ‘Tasmanian Numismatist’ (Internet Edition) has been provided with space on this privately maintained Internet site and is currently presented on a monthly basis by the member-provider with the aim of promoting the hobby of numismatics in an entertaining and enjoyable way to other national and international readers who may be interested.  All matters pertaining to the T.N.S. are re-published with the permission of the current Executive Committee of the  ‘Tasmanian Numismatic Society Inc.’ and the Tasmanian Numismatist' (Internet Edition) abides by the same basic guidelines suggested for the official  'Tasmanian Numismatist' newsletter.

Please note that all opinions expressed in material published in the 'Tasmanian Numismatist' (Internet Edition) are those of the authors, and not necessarily those of the ‘Tasmanian Numismatic Society Inc.’ or the Editor.

Internet Page: http://www.vision.net.au/~pwood/tns.html

Email: pwood@vision.net.au

 DISCLAIMER: All details of a commercial nature, organisations, items or individual arrangement to buy, sell or trade are provided as information only, and any consequent dealings are between the parties concerned. The ‘Tasmanian Numismatist’ (Internet Edition) takes no responsibility for disagreements between parties, and also reserves the right to only feature information that it considers suitable in promoting the hobby to our readers under the guidelines suggested by the Tasmanian Numismatic Society. Deadline for any literary contributions or amendment to copy is 7 Days prior to the beginning of the month of publication. The contents of this Internet newsletter, and all prior issues, are copyrighted ©, but anything herein can be fairly used to promote the great hobby of numismatics; however, we do like to be asked by commercial interests if they wish to use any of our copy. This permission, however, does not extend to any article specifically marked as copyrighted © by the author of the article. Explicit permission from the author or the Editor of the  ‘Tasmanian Numismatist ’(Internet Edition) is required prior to use of that material.

 

TASMANIAN NUMISMATIC SOCIETY INC.

 Members meet at 8.00 p.m. on the 2nd. Thursday of each month (except January) in the social room:

The Masonic Club,

181 Macquarie St., Hobart.

Tasmania.                                                          Visitors are always welcome!

Anyone who wishes to apply for membership to the non-profit making organization, and who is prepared to abide by the rules of the Society and its aim of promoting the study and enjoyment of the hobby of numismatics, should contact the following address for an application form and details of subscriptions: 

THE SECRETARY.

Tasmanian Numismatic Society.

G.P.O. Box 884J

Hobart. 7001.

Tasmania.